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Venezuela's Presidente issued forced labor decree
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  • Helper
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    Socialism leads to paradise.*

    Your results may vary

    The probability that we may fail in the struggle aught not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. -Abraham Lincoln


  • IB
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    But Democratic Socialism is totz different.


  • ShoeHands
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    The end result of Socialism is always collapse

    Its just a question now of how Venezuela collapses.

    Military Coup?
    Civil War?
    Total Collapse?

    I could never lie to you, You're like the greatest pot smoking republican hippie I know.-1POOH4U


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    Greeny said:

    But Democratic Socialism is totz different.

    Yeah, it has the word Democratic in it.

    The probability that we may fail in the struggle aught not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. -Abraham Lincoln


  • IB
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    It still counts!


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    The oppostion in Venezuela won elections up and down the ticket, I mean it made 2010 look even.
    Maduro is just ruling by fiat and ignoring Congress and the Constitution.

    Sound familiar huh....

    The probability that we may fail in the struggle aught not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. -Abraham Lincoln


  • Helper
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    Yeah, we get to vote to decide what kind of forced labor we have to do.

    Democracy, f**k yeah!

    The probability that we may fail in the struggle aught not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. -Abraham Lincoln


  • ShoeHands
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    Thats why im betting on Civil War

    The opposition won big in the last election, and yet they got locked out because Maduro is a dictator.

    I could never lie to you, You're like the greatest pot smoking republican hippie I know.-1POOH4U


  • IB
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    On the bright side, I hear bread lines are a great way to meet new people.


  • Helper
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    Maduro feeds the army though, so I kind of doubt civil war. I suspect that the best course would be for us to simply send them food and allow the natural course of political action to force Maduro out.

    The probability that we may fail in the struggle aught not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. -Abraham Lincoln


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    Greeny said:

    On the bright side, I hear bread lines are a great way to meet new people.

    Yeah, it;s like Tindr with carbs....

    The probability that we may fail in the struggle aught not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. -Abraham Lincoln


  • ShoeHands
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    The only political process that is going to remove Maduro and his cronies from power is Assassination.

    I could never lie to you, You're like the greatest pot smoking republican hippie I know.-1POOH4U


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    It might come to that, if we don't send them food aid it will certainly increase the chances of that happening.

    The probability that we may fail in the struggle aught not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just. -Abraham Lincoln


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    Jingai said:

    It might come to that, if we don't send them food aid it will certainly increase the chances of that happening.

    I've read reports saying that he would refuse to take in any food aid. Otherwise, he can't blame the US "waging economic war" for all the failures of his regime.


  • SwimVIP
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    Sure, Venezuela's recent economic crisis is really caused by the depressed global price of oil (a.k.a. the free market) and government gridlock, but it's a right-wing talking point on the Internet. And those have always been 100% true and sane.


  • SwimVIP
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    Remember when the U.S. (which controls its own currency) plunged into a massive debt crisis like the one in Greece (which doesn't control its own currency), just like the right-wing people on the Internet said?


  • Banned
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    Venezuela wasn't a real Socialist country. It is a federalist republic, with some democratic and some socialist spending policies although admittedly much more so than we have in the United States. The real cause of this economic chaos in Venezuela is not even the Socialist spending policies, which admittedly did not help the matter. Most economists point to bad currency practices and decades of dependence on oil revenues in place of actual capitalist or socialist earnings collected from taxes. Basically they funded themselves very similarly to the Saudi's (which btw are a royal monarchy but really more like a dictatorship) only they did it much poorer.

    The real straw that broke the camel's back is that about 2 year ago they started devaluing their fixed rate currency in an attempt to stifle high inflation rates of necessities, which was in turn directly linked to their dependence almost entirely on oil sale, which cause Venezuelan imports of many types of goods to plummet. So they devalued this fixed rate currency, which btw is not a socialist ideology, it is a universal one that many different types of governments have used including yet again Saudi Arabia to control drastic rise in inflation. However, there was one problem with this, another bizarre government policy which was also not a socialist natured policy... it is that the currency must essentially be purchased only through the government, it can not be bought or traded at a typical currency exchange like in most other countries. This led over several decades to the support of a black market on Venezualan currency. So guess what happened when they greatly devalued their currency to stave off inflation about 2 years ago? The corrupt black market that their irresponsible and bizarre currency circulation policy basically imploded because people attempted to trade up for the far more valuable US currency on the black market.

    This is the real cause of Venezuela's drastic economic spiral into oblivion. I'm not that big a fan of straight up socialist governments, I think proper governments should have a mixture of good policies from many different forms of social policies. We do this extremely effectively here in America and have done so since the early days of our country in one fashion or another. To simply say "VENEZUALA HAD SOCIALISM LOOK WHAT HAPPENED" is uninformed knee jerk reactionism. It is what leads to ignorant hate and confusion and polarization by people who gobble up everything they are told in the media.


  • Toonami
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    and Vuvuzela's president issued BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!


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    Socialism works, guys!

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    Looks like some measure of food aid is on the way according to this story. It's only an aside at the end of this story, basically Jamaica getting some oil debts forgiven in exchange. Otherwise it sounds like an unmitigated hellhole in Venezuela right now despite their attempts to cover it up.


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    Icarus27k said:

    Sure, Venezuela's recent economic crisis is really caused by the depressed global price of oil (a.k.a. the free market) and government gridlock, but it's a right-wing talking point on the Internet. And those have always been 100% true and sane.

    Hold on, you said so little but it's all so contradictory and wrong.

    caused by the free market

    So either

    1. Socialism is so delicate that if one commodity slightly shifts price it causes people to starve
    2. Socialism is so bad that it needs an excuse like outside forces to make up for its failings
    3. Socialist governments are so corrupt and mismanage resources that a slight shift in prices causes food lines

    But then you're all like

    government gridlock

    So now

    1. Socialism leads to corruption (see above) which is the free market's fault
    2. Socialism only works in the right hands (see never)

    Or, my favorite: socialism fails because right wing talking points.


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